Re: RTMARK

[Kayla Pollnow <pollnow@ionet.net>]

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To quote yourself:
Hey congrats! You know who else uses brutally inflated hyperbole to get
their message across and dominate the conversation? Yes, that's right!

Seems to be the same thing you just did in that message. Still
reactionary... Actually rtmark seem to have been the only ones in hacktivism
to get much of anything done or get any exposure of any kind. They aren't
claiming to be the poster children of all this. They intentionally use the
tactics and style they do to mock corporate tactics by being similar or
twisted versions.

You have made a few good comments on here a sometimes but mostly it seems
you are out to just start fights. I have held back on saying anything before
now and fortunatley others have come forward in my stead.

I pray I have not terribly misrepresented rtmark but I am going on my
understanding of it. I am tired of hearing you repeat on this list over and
over that everyone is doind it wrong and not coming forth with any good
ideas.

Granted, I don't post much on here but it seems everytime I do I get my
heads bit of, as I surely will from this post. If I drop this intersting
little list for good I just would like to inform you that it's likely from
being sick of you and others who only complain and put forth no good
ideas...

No one scream at me for pointing fingers I am just using Legba here as an
example of what I am frustrated with.


Legba Carrefour wrote:

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>
> I just want to say that I find RTMark to be massively annoying. These
> people are NOTHING that I want hacktivism to be about. This whole
> movement to "shut down" various websites and other dumb ass and pathetic
> attempts at some sort of revolutionary hacking are simply counter
> productive to the whole hacktivism idea and pointless wastes of time if
> they were carried out.
>
> Oooooo...you shut down eToys. Wow. I am so ever impressed. Hey look,
> it's back up six hours later along with a couple hundred press reports
> bashing hacking and claiming that poor eToys.com lost a shit-ton of
> money and customers were inconvenienced.
>
> Wow, that is SUCH good publicity for us.
>
> I am not entirely adverse to extreme methods of defending ourselves
> against encroaching media monopolies, but this is dumb.
>
> RTMark is engaging in a plain old publicity stunt, uses dishonest
> methods for publicizing those stunts, and violating many of the same
> ideals we supposedly fight for.
>
> The etoys lawsuit against the etoy art group is indeed utterly
> reprehensible, brutal, and an example of what is wrong with so many
> coporations. However, THAT is someting to be fought for through the
> dissemination of information and in the courts. It is a fucking
> trademark issue for fuck's sake? What the HELL is "destroying" them
> going to do.
>
> In response to RTMark's claim that "destroy" is merely a bunch of
> hyperbole, well guess what, THAT DOESNT MAKE IT ANY BETTER!
>
> Hey congrats! You know who else uses brutally inflated hyperbole to get
> their message across and dominate the conversation? Yes, that's right!
> THE VERY PEOPLE YOU ARE F


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