Re: Help destroy eToys.com! / Re: the plot thickens........

[ZoeScanner <zoescanner@yahoo.com>]

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2 Messages:1:Re: Help destroy eToys.com!
          :2:Re: the plot thickens........

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: ZoeScanner <zoescanner@yahoo.com>
To: hacktivism@tao.ca
Subject: Re: Help destroy eToys.com!

greetings........So,it was not a serious request.
Good. I did not take it seriously. Unfortunately
the same cannot be said for everybody. Many
people would & may have panicked at such
words.This will not help you either.I detest what
eToys has done...just as many many are doing
right now. Still,making such a request is bad
publicity for you And us. A no win situation I am
sure most of us dont want to get into,especailly
at this point in time where we are gaining some
respect. may I suggest plastering pages
everywhere you can telling your story? and
posting to any and every messageboard you can
reach? You just might be surprised how fast the
word spreads.....And It will gain you
support...for dealing with it in a "legal"
fashion...as apposed to eToys...whom is obviously
not.
Be bigger about it than they are,and it will help
you in the long run.
Also,hint:..."Spread the word!".......let the
reg.citizens know what is /has been going
on....Some of us are doing just that....a few
well chosen,informative words from the sites
under attack would only help.
Peace
ZoeScanner

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: ZoeScanner <zoescanner@yahoo.com>
To: hacktivism@tao.ca
Subject: Re: the plot thickens........

Greetings
Any dealings with BB are usually fraught with
confusion,crossed wires and red tape...thats one
of their self protection devices. As for ears
being everywhere...arg. it comes with the
territory...like having an open list...But! to
close it and "hope" we are keeping the snoops
out...would be usless and non productive,if not
self defeating....Having it open is getting the
word out on many many even more important causes
than a gang of BB toy sites. 
I am sorry and sickened there is a rat(or more
than one) whom panicked and did that to you. What
you said was just mainly mulling a thought
over,obviously. It just goes to show,due to their
own practices on eachother and anybody they
choose to step on that,yes,they are scared.As
they should be,too bad they are not scared
straight.BB toy sites can rest assured they are
still small fry compared to what many of us
already have on our plates...Far bigger fish to
fry.We reserve special tactics for special
occasions...the most effective way to deal with
the small fry is to spread the word,and get
people aware,and involved. we cannot go off like
loose cannons ,crashing toy sites and such over
domain struggles...that would be overkill
extreeme. Too small a problem(yet) and we would
loose any credibility we have gained by doing
such a thing.  public Information will take care
of that eventually.
I do hope all is well for you soon,Eric...After
all,it was not acted upon,so the school should
not have any real grounds to act on.((except for
the remark about ;"why does shutting down toy
sites excite me so?"...er...that might be
sticky....hehe...I dont know why..do you?))
Har!
anyway,remember this?...don't let em see ya
sweat....they thrive on that....
Hang in there!
Solidarity!
ZoeScanner

Oh!...and yes....it really IS possible to shut
down even the great Amazon.com...'Especially'
considering the already extreemly high volume of
traffic they must have....but why bother?
peace
ZoeScanner


--- Stiens Eric <9946144@student.ul.ie> wrote:
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> 
> hmmmm.....well.....it seems that no wayward
> corporate hackers have broken
> into my account after all....wires were crossed
> and it turns out the email
> in question that is causing all this trouble is
> one that I did write...in
> fact one that I posted to this list a while
> back....at the time it was an
> insignificant offhanded thought, thrown out in
> the midst of much more
> pressing discussions at the time dealing with
> N30 and other things on other
> mailing lists.......
> 
> so it was NOT an email that I (or someone using
> my account) sent to
> amazon.com, but rather a message that was
> forwarded to amazon.com by someone
> on this list, who then contacted the
> administration of this
> skool.......<sigh> and now it appears that
> right before I leave to go back
> to the states I will be gearing up for a
> political battle at a university
> and in a country where I am not all too sure of
> what my exact rights
> are....but hopefully everything will be sorted
> out.........
> 
> the exact text of the email is below:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colman.Collins 
> Sent: 08 December 1999 12:59
> To: Gordon.Young
> Cc: Denis.Hickey
> Subject: FW: floodnet of xmas toy sites.......
> 
> 
> .....can you deal with this situation ? /C
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Killalea [mailto:tomk@amazon.com] 
> Sent: 07 December 1999 19:31
> To: Colman Collins
> Cc: Denis Hickey; security@amazon.com
> Subject: floodnet of xmas toy sites.......
> 
> 
> Hi Colman,
> 
> Here's the message that I refered in my
> voicemail.
> 
> Tom.
> --
> Tom Killalea   (206)  694-2196    Amazon.com
>                tomk@amazon.com
> 
> 
> >From: Stiens Eric <9946144@student.ul.ie>
> >Reply-To: hacktivism@tao.ca
> >To: "'hacktivism@tao.ca'" <hacktivism@tao.ca>
> >Subject: floodnet of xmas toy sites.......
> >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:36:59 -0000
> >
> >[: hacktivism :]
> >
> >
> > > > ps anyone organizing a Floodnet of
> www.wto.org? www.etoys.com?
> > > >
> > > > Alex Galloway
> > > > Editor & Technical Director
> > > > RHIZOME
> >
> >
> >hmmm.....why does shutting down christmas toy
> sites excite me so????
> >
> >anyone know if it would be _possible_ (well
> obviously its theoretically
> >possible) to shut down say amazon.com or
> etoys.com since they are already
> >obviously equipped to deal with massive
> amounts of visitors????
> >
> >the revolution will be improvised--
> >eric
> >
> >
> 
> 
> now.....last time I checked I was simply posing
> a hypothetical question in
> response to a suggestion of organizing a
> floodnet of a large site like
> etoys.com (which now is under attack
> ANYWAY).....and I wasn't using
> amazon.com in a specific conxtext but more
> referring to it as 'one of those
> large sites' as in, is it even possible to use
> floodnet on a site that
> already reeives that many hits.....(anyway, I
> thought floodnet was in an
> area (albeit a grey one) of legality anyway)
> 
> mannnnnnnnnnn these corporate types are running
> scared.........
> 
> ears ears everywhere.......i guess i have a
> meeting with the administration
> here at this school on wednesday, although it
> would be nice if they told me
> the time as I'm leaving the country on
> wednesday.......<sigh> and after last
> year....I JUST WANTED A QUIET
> SEMESTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> computer lab is closing and my access from home
> has been
> disconnected........
> 
> don't think it will be to big of a deal when I
> explain the context and the
> facts regarding the email......at least lets
> hope not.........
> 
> solidarity--
> eric
> 
> 
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> -Eric Stiens-	
> estiens@macalester.edu       or    
> 9946144@student.ul.ie
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> 
> "We are howling out of the cages
>   In the arms of eternity, my soul it rages
>   My heart is crying--My spirit is on fire
>   I've unleashed my demons and armed my desire"
>                                             
> -Casey Neill-
> 
> ***peacelovepowermagick(r)evolution***
> 
> 
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