Re: Help destroy eToys.com!

[Bronc Buster <bronc@2600.com>]

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On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, RTMARK Admin wrote:

> Bronc, we do realize our portrayal of hackers is cartoonish--but then, so
> is our portrayal of ourselves, of etoy, of eToys....

Did I read the wrong press release? Is the one at the bottom of this post
not the one you sent out? Please point me to the cartoonish one. I must of
missed something!

> No one really thinks we're going to destroy eToys. It's a sensationalist
> press release--we're trying to show that what eToys is doing to etoy is so
> egregiously awful that the equal and opposite response is a campaign to
> destroy eToys.

This is totaly irresponsible! If someone released a serious post calling
for the destruction of a company, people will take it seriously. Who is
this "no one" anyways? How is this "no one" going to know this is some
kind of hoax or a joke? And how is lowering yourself to their level
helping anything? Come on now...There are no legs to stand on here. The
net has been referred to as a "wild west" type world, but what happened
back then? Lawlessness brought in the government; people started taking
the law into their hands and it became an eye for an eye type environment.
We can not let the net as a whole turn into this. If we can not police
ourselves in a responciable manner, with activism, hacktivism, or other
non-destructive means, who else is going to police us? 

I think we all know the answer to that question.


regards,
   Bronc Buster
  bronc@2600.com

> 
> On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Morrison, Catherine E wrote:
> 
> > I have to agree, although perhaps less emphatically...I became 
> > interested in this movement because I saw in it a chance to 
> > mobilize large amounts of people and educate them about social 
> > issues they would otherwise be blissfully unaware of. But, to the 
> > extent of essentially attacking kids for something they are not 
> > responsible for? That's not cool.
> > 
> > I realize that intellectual property rights are going to become a 
> > powder-keg issue, but now is the time for widespread EDUCATION. 
> > Currently the american public is simply not primed to respond 
> > correctly to this issue. The hacktivism community would come out 
> > looking like the grinch who stole Christmas while etoys, with 
> > their giant innocent blue eyes filling with the tears of children 
> > everywhere, would merely be another Who....left out in the cold 
> > and stripped of their gifts.
> > 
> > Is that a real protrayal? Of COURSE not. But the public is not 
> > going to understand what an abusive corporate giant etoys is yet 
> > because they are unfamiliar with the issue of intellectual 
> > property rights. I mean, hell...Monsanto and others are poised to 
> > create starvation and poverty all over the world with the 
> > Terminator seed, which owes it's very existence to property 
> > rights, and NO ONE knows about that...
> > 
> > So if you want to protest I suggest that want take the forms of 
> > letter-writing to newspapers, web sites, notes on mailing lists...
> > Suggest a BOYCOTT--that's noble and newsworthy while a floodnet 
> > looks too much like a prank. Cry havoc, don't cause it just yet.
> > 
> > cate
> > http://npthing-to-fear.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Now this is TOTALY MORONIC.
> > > 
> > > Help destroy eToys.com? Hello? The topic alone should give you a bad
> > > feeling. This is not what Hacktivism is about, or activism, or hacking for
> > > that matter.
> > > 
> > > There is a big diffrence in attempting to bring a wrong into the spot
> > > light by causing attention, and attempting to take the law into your own
> > > hands. What they are calling for is just wrong.
> > > 
> > > This group, by attempting to quote some 10 year old script kiddie, and
> > > calling him a hacker in order to cause people with some sort of skills to
> > > fight for them, have shown themselves to be nothing more then another
> > > group of kiddies attempting to call up a "hacker war" and bring attention
> > > upon themselves. This really angers me!
> > > 
> > > I find it hard to even comment on anything in this because it is so
> > > immature and unintelligent. Come on people, what are we coming to? Last I
> > > saw we still had a legal system in this country, and even if it fails, 
> > > that dosen't give us the right to destroy anything. Thats like saying the
> > > riots after the first Rodney King trial were justified.
> > > 
> > > I'd tell these people to get a clue and find a better, positive, and more
> > > constructive way to bring their plight to the people. And lastly, don't
> > > try and quote a "hacker" or anything like this, for most of the times it
> > > backfires and brings down the heat upon them.
> > > 
> > > Grow up...this kind of crap went out with the 4th grade...
> > > 
> > > regards,
> > >    Bronc Buster
> > >   bronc@2600.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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