Re: Big Brothers Are Watching You

From ZoeScanner <>
Date Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:46:50 -0700 (PDT)

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My Dear Shiv Timberwolf:

Your concerns are very real & wise.
Keep up the quest for knowledge!
I have a little more to add here, should anyone
have doubts still..

  No One here is under ANY delusions of
'privacy'...We know full well just how monitered
we are. 
& yes, from birth too.

 What we are acting on is the HOPE that 'they'
might not be monitering us every second of every
day/nite, all the time. Or, that our feeble
measures to circumvent their intrusions may be
somewhat successful in the reasoning that it is a
daunting task to "see/read all" every second.
(This seems a little difficult to achieve..& Ya
know..without hope, ALL is lost.)

We are quite sure this list is
monitored...infiltrated even.
It is an open list,after all...& we want it that
way. We need to build the JQPublics trust.
Honesty is the best policy, & as any GOV anywhere
in the world does not practice that (& Everybody
knows it,) they can also see here, that WE do.

It is common knowledge that "they" fear what they
do not understand,...& they do not understand us.
We defy their whole concept of logic.

You wonder why 'suspect' telle calls are sent to
the US?  Money talks. 
The US slathers theirs all about the place trying
to be the Biggest Bigshot. Business.

Basically, It's a power struggle deal. 
Right at the moment, the US is the biggest kid on
the block Mainly because of the WTO & the IMF.
Only because they hold the biggest always
available purse strings & have the most "hotels"
on the board (Companies).

 It's like a giant Monopoly/chess/poker game held
in a theater & the ordinary citizens are
Pawns, if you will. Lesser countries are the
puppets. The Ante is Power. 

(We are the rickety table under them, threatening
to collapse the whole thing..& we will if they
wont shape up & play right.
& since we see their playing tactics, We hold
some of the Aces..)

In future, Should this change, you will see a
shift in the game (but not in the rules,unless WE
are effective in our ..endevors;)

Now, Should the 'table' simply just crash down
with their peices..well..
Then, probably, The Next biggest kid on the block
will step up & get the info of which you speak. 
& so it goes on..
Unless! we are Really effective & play those
cards they have been stuffing in the table
cracks,right...It could be a whole new game.

 ARG! If you are an active racist, you ARE
monitored in ANY country. Count on it.

 #1.Some will attempt to keep you under
#2.some will use you to their own advantage..
#3.All,often makeing scapegoats out of you. 
#4. you should be monitored!
#5. buying those caliber of chemicals is
obviously suspect since it is pretty widely known
they are not gonna be used to remove tree stumps.

As for reading our 'numbers' even your local bank
or post office does that.
Almost anyone can read your life if they know
where to look. 
They can find out how often you brush your teeth.
& where you buy your toothbrush. 
& they already know all about your mum too...
"they" have been monitering for a very long time.

China. ah....having the guts to stand up to
them?..LOL! (Sorry, really, no insult
intended!!)...but...China does not Need the US or
anyone else to do Anything for them.  They are
Masters at it themselves, having a looong ancient
history of oppresion, MOF,the US has learned more
than a few things from China's tactics.
 Nothing good, I assure you.

You are also right about Freedom of Speech... long as it is the 'Right' speech. ;)

What a world.


--- Shiv Timberwolf <> wrote:
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> Somebody mentioned a quick thing about us being
> watched, and I thought I might take this moment
> to
> break into the conversation.
> What people these days don't really realise is
> that we
> are being monitored more than we would like to
> believe...
> One obvious example is the phone lines,
> everyone who
> cares knows that in Europe all the phone
> conversations
> are monitored and if you mention certain words
> the
> conversation is immediately logged, and sent
> off to
> the US. Yes, that's right, the US. Can anyone
> explain
> why US government feels they have a right to
> hear
> conversations of EU citizens, or why EU
> governments
> are bending over backward for the so-called
> super-power? Well anyways, the government will
> then
> tap your phone for a certain period of time and
> log
> ALL the conversations. You will also be put
> under
> specal observaillence (Scuse the spelling).
> But that is not all...From the moment you are
> born you
> are not just monitored in as much as all the
> major
> events in your life are recorded (medical
> records,
> criminal records, children, marriages /
> divorces) and
> probably a lot of the smaller things too
> (although I
> am not as sure of this), but you are classified
> as a
> number. Your social security number. All they
> have to
> do (They being any high enough ranking member
> of
> government of one fo the super powers) is type
> in your
> number and they will soon know more about you
> than
> your own mother.
> The same goes for Internet. And I'm not just
> talking
> about the Web (Everyone involved in Hacking,
> Piracy,
> or Anarchy will have noticed the sudden
> disappearance
> of related web pages) but all Internet realted
> things.
> Hell, even this email will be logged. And if
> you think
> that you are safe, think again. They will
> surely be
> monitering this list, and will know quite a lot
> about
> each of the membrs. Why? Because we are the
> "Cyber-terrorists" We are those who could cause
> really
> big problems for the government. But that I
> will talk
> about another time.
> Another good example is if you are an active
> racist in
> your home country and you visit another you
> WILL be
> monitored by the equivalent of the Special
> Devision in
> that country.
> If you go to a chemical store and but certain
> chemicals (For example to make
> ammonium-triiodide, a
> super sensative tactile-activated explosive)
> your
> purchasing of a certain mix of chemicals means
> you
> will be monitored for possible terrorist
> activities.
> The same goes for borrowing certain books form
> the
> library. You could take out Mein Kampf,
> Chemicals for
> Explosives, or any nomber of tagged books and
> you
> would suffer the same monitoring.
> But is is not just US that is doing this
> (Although we
> know that the US is trying very hard to do it
> in all
> countries worldwide and only China seems to
> have the
> guts to stand up to them) but all the super
> powers do
> it.(Although, as I have said, some of them seem
> to
> pass the information on to US).
> So next time you use the word privacy, think
> very hard
> about exactly how private your life is...
> Freedom of speech, as long as you don't say
> anything
> They don't like.
> Shiv Timberwolf
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--- Shiv Timberwolf <> wrote:
> Somebody mentioned a quick thing about us being
> watched, and I thought I might take this moment
> to
> break into the conversation.
> What people these days don't really realise is
> that we

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