Re: Ehippies new DoS tools and information

[Bronc Buster <bronc@attrition.org>]

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So what we have now is Hacktivism boiling down to nothing more then Script
Kiddie antics. Great. I am sure this will help to convince people that it
is a legit method of action.

While looking over the paper posted on the ElectroHippies web site, it
became clear the person who wrote it thinks that the laws don't apply to
them that may apply to other people who may launch DoS atacks.

The reasons they say for these DoS actions being justified were that in
the DDoS attacks against Yahoo, etc, third party systems were broken into
and used an amplifiers. For these DoS attacks, only your system is used
against a target and no outside systems are used, therefore making a clear
line between these evil crackers and their nobel efforts.

Well lets look at the big picture. When Yahoo was taken offline due to the
DDoS attacks, not only Yahoo was taken down, but so was EVERYONE that used
Yahoos same Internet Provider, because they were all on the same backbone.
So lets say insted of 2 people, we get 100 people to DoS the WTO web site
and it grinds to a halt. Well not only is the WTO being punished, but
again, so is EVERYONE on that same Internet Providers backbone. 

DoS attacks are more like the carpet bombing used in Vietnam. Sure you may
hit the target, but then again, you hit everyone else around it,
regardless if they are innocent or not.

Not to mention, DoS attacks are a federal crime and could land you in jail
for quite a while.

I have gotton a ton of hate mail and flames over my last few posts, so you
people out there with nothing better to say then "f*** off" can save it.

Hacktivism should not boil down to DoS attcks and script kiddie antics, it
should be about making changes and informing people.

Right now a team I am on is working closely with human rights groups and 
hacker groups on a set of hacktivism applications to be released this
summer at DefCon. It will show that Hacktivism is a real way to use the
net for to blend activism and technology in a posive way, while helping
people at the same time.

Hacktivism shold be about positive actions and bringing issues to light,
not about punishing people or companies over views you may not agree with.

regards,
   Bronc Buster
bronc@attrition.org


On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, the electrohippies collective wrote:

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> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Here's some information on the electrohippies new online resources.
> 
> Following on from our online action to coincide with the WTOs Seattle
> conference, we will shortly be launching some new client-side Internet
> activism tools. One of these - the client side denial of service tool, is
> already beta-testing with campaigners in Europe and the USA.
> 
> To aid the debate on denial-of-service protest action we have produced a
> discussion paper - "Client-side Distributed Denial-of-Service: valid
> campaign tactic or terorrist act?" - which we have posted on our website.
> 
> Another paper on distributed email actions, entitled "Distributed Email
> Actions: speaking truth to power via the 'Net", will be going online in the
> next few weeks.
> 
> We've also set up an email list to distribute information about online
> activism which anyone is free to join (even those we're helping other to
> campaign against, or even those who want to stop our type of online action).
> 
> To access the website and the discussion paper go to:
> 
> http://www.gn.apc.org/pmhp/ehippies/
> 
> 
> Note also that our next planned action will be in April on the issue of
> genetically modified crops.
> 
> 
> Finally, some of those receiving this email - those involved with Internet
> security and security issues - will be questioning why we sent it to them.
> Answer: we have nothing to hide. We believe in open and accountable online
> actions. In our view the design of the 'Net is such that open and
> democratic e-action are inevitable, and therefore those who are the subject
> of such actions should be warned in advance so that they have a chance to
> recant their perceived wrong-doing. Short of closing or disconnecting the
> servers involved, those on the receiving end of e-actions have no viable
> defence from a well supported online campaign. The legal situation in
> relation to the type of actions we organise is also straightforward - we
> only use the 'Net as it was intended, and therefore it does not constitute
> an abuse of computer systems. So we chose to be open and accountable.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bye dudes!
> 
> the electrohippies collective
> 
> 
> 
> 
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