Re: PRC Statistics

From Marc Blecher <Marc.Blecher@oberlin.edu>
Date Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:58:09 -0400
In-reply-to <416612C8.1020706@chinastudygroup.org>
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Jonathan is right on growth data.
On inequality, see my notes for a recent talk at the APSA.
Marc

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> Brian,
> 
> on GDP:
> 
> Tom Rawski has written a lot on this. He seems to think that the
> official stats are pretty good from 1978-1998, although even then they
> may be overstating growth by 1-2 percentage points over the long-term.
> The real problem for him happens in 1998 at which point the visible hand
> of the 'baoba' spirit (maintain the eight!) takes over and guides the
> numbers higher. But he no longer thinks that's the case.
> 
> Everyone seems to agree that the lower you go down the bureaucratic
> chain, the less trustworthy the data becomes, but the statistics bureau
> of the *Central* Government is widely trusted.
> 
> I'm also not sure how factoring in gray income would change GDP rates,
> unless the ratios were changing significantly. And this is a problem for
> all countries. Think of what the US GDP would be including the sale and
> production of drugs.
> 
> Rawski's homepage with some old articles:
> http://www.pitt.edu/~tgrawski/
> 
> This (baaad url) brings up some more recent news articles that quote
> from him:
> http://www.chinastudygroup.org/index.php?search1=rawski&area1=text&action=news
> &type=search
> 
> --------
> 
> On inequality:
> 
> 0.454 seems to be the official stat now:
> 
> China Daily 2004-06-25:
> "China's Gini Co-efficient, a standard international measurement of
> income inequality, reached 0.454 in 2002, far above 0.4, which is the
> threshold generally considered to be a cause for concern."
> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/chinagate/doc/2004-06/25/content_342517.htm
> 
> Caijing 2004-02-23:
> "The Gini index in rural China was 0.366 in 2002, compared with 0.381 in
> 1995. The Gini index for urban China was 0.32, an increase of 4
> percentage points from 1995. The national Gini index average was 0.454,
> up 1.7 percentage points from its 1995 level." [based on CASS survey]
> http://caijing.com.cn/english/2004/040220/040220coverstory.htm
> 
> Since the gini coefficient is a measure of income, not wealth, it's
> unclear to me how factoring in bank accounts, etc., of the wealthy would
> do to the coefficient.
> 
> --------
> 
> Unemployment:
> 
> 14% among urban permanent residents, and this is based on serious survey
> data collected by CASS:
> http://www.msu.edu/~gilesj/gpz2.pdf
> 
> Unemployment in rural China: no one calls it that. You just hear these
> fantastic numbers bandied about a 'surplus population' of 100-300 million.
> 
> ---
> 
> Health:
> 
> Dunno, but this is a bit of a shocker:
> 
> "According to the [CAS], programmers and managers working in Beijing's
> hi-tech district of Zhongguancun, known as China's Silicon Valley, had
> an average lifespan of 53 years and four months, five years less than a
> decade ago.
> 
> Journalists fared even worse. A study by 10 news organisations in
> Shanghai revealed that the average lifespan of a reporter was 45 years.
> Less than one in five of the city's journalists were said to live beyond
> retirement age."
> 
> perhaps perusing articles here will help:
> http://www.chinastudygroup.org/index.php?action=news&type=search&area1=extra&s
> earch1=health
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> brian turner wrote:
> 
>> What is the general perception about the reliability of GDP growth
>> figures?  Some commentators seem to think they are undervalued, at least
>> one overvalued, and most seem to accept the official stats at face
>> value.  There are two questions related to this:  (1) is there any
>> conscious fraud in the figures  (2) is the informal market so big they
>> really can't count it accurately.
>> 
>> In Vietnam, the petty capitalist informal off-the-books part of Hanoi's
>> economy is so huge, frankly I don't see how any aggregate statistics
>> could be anything but guesses.
>> 
>> What about the Gini coefficient?  (Measurement of inequality from 0
>> -1).  The official figures are 0.4, but I read a Chinese critic who said
>> that he thinks it might reach sky high Brazil levels (over 0.6) if
>> hidden illicit wealth stashed away in secret bank accounts is included.
>> 
>> What about rural poverty stats?  Carl Riskin and others discredited some
>> earlier stats, but what are the official stats showing regarding that
>> now, and any comments  by others on those?
>> 
>> What about unemployment?
>> 
>> Life expectancy and other health indicator trends in the last 4 years?
>> 
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