Re: Hacktivism List Proposal 2.0

[maggie knowles <maggie@vgn.com>]

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i think this is a great idea too.

ZoeScanner wrote:
> 
> [: hacktivism :]
> 
> Sorry for yet ANOTHER post today...but I just HAD to
> second this!.............it sounds so reasonable it
> MUST be too good to be true!
> there are diamonds in the dust.........
> and a lot can be said for: 'one mans trash is another
> mans treasure'............
> excellent point that needs to be addressed,Stefan!
> 
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> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 03:19:49 -0500
> To: hacktivism@tao.ca
> From: Stefan Wray <swray@io.com>
> Subject: Re: Hacktivism List Proposal 2.0
> Reply-to: hacktivism@tao.ca
> 
> 
> 
> [: hacktivism :]
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> I read through the entire proposal.
> Then I read it again.
> Couldn't find anything problematic.
> 
> Implement at will...
> 
> I do have one idea.
> I'm not too attached to it.
> But maybe it is worth mulling over.
> 
> Maybe there could be a dump or graveyard
> for unposted messages
> 
> Net archaelogists or digital dumpster divers
> might be intrigued by looking through
> this hacktivist debris and detritus.
> 
> Maybe some net.artist will cull fragments
> for a collage of some sort.
> 
> On a serious note, it would be a way to have
> a system of checks and balances.
> 
> Others could root around in the hacktivist trash
> to see if moderators perhaps overlooked a jewel.
> 
> Who knows? The trash could even spawn its own
> culture of trash pickers and recyclers.
> 
> Here is a scenaro.
> 
> Say someone trys to post lines of code to the list.
> Well according to the rules, lines of code would
> probably be trashed.
> 
> But maybe some trash picker comes along and finds
> the discarded code in the hacktivist graveyard,
> and voila! It becomes the seed of thought
> for something incredible and completely unexpected.
> 
> Or another scenario.
> 
> Say someone writes things that
> are clearly illegal and pointing down the road to
> peril.
> Well, that message wouldn't get posted to the list.
> But if the message ended up in the dump, some rogue
> warrior scavenging through piles of "me toos" and
> newbie interrogations might find it and get
> a brain fart for a new scheme.
> 
> By putting things in the dump, list moderators
> would be making sure they stayed within policy
> and especially not jeopradizing the security of TAO.
> But at the same time, such unwanted information
> would be thrown somewhere for posterity.
> 
> The dump could merely be a web-based list
> {obviously nothing that would be send by email}
> or even an old-style ftp site.
> 
> Anyway, I've often found very interesting things
> in the trash, things that no one else wanted
> anymore, but I found a use for.
> 
> In our effort to harness a more rigorous
> list culture
> let's not forgot our trash culture
> 
> So in addition to not being ageist, ableist, racist,
> etc,
> let's not be trashist.
> 
> Just throw it in its proper place:
> The permanent digital dustpin of hacktivist history.
> 
> That's all.
> 
> - Stefan
> 
> PS. I've not been smoking.
> 
> PPS. I guess I'm arguing for some transparency.
> >From time to time, I'd like to look at what gets
> tossed out.
> 
> =====
>


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