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hahah hey man, all the things i wrote earlier were
sort of popular misconceptions, i've had hacker friends since commodore 64
:)
i just wanted to understand your arguments aginst
public hype/news.
i wouldnt be on this list if i didnt like the
subject :)
i just wanted to know how 'extreme' people are
here...
dont get me wrong, i like extreme
people!
peace,
piLL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:56
AM
Subject: Re: hackerism?
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From: "piLL" <pill@atomic3d.com>
To: <hacktivism@tao.ca>
Subject:
hackerism?
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:48:18 -0700
Reply-to: hacktivism@tao.ca
Excuse me....I just
had to add my 2 cents worth
here....(I almost fell out of my "armchair"
reading it
.)
[: hacktivism :]
Where is the line drawn
between "hacktivism" and
'hackerism'?
(hacking/terrorism)
hacking
is generally considered to be malicious...or
at least very
annoying.
***** (sounds like media hype to me.......)*****
how far
are people willing to go in their cyber 'arm
chair-activism'?
*****Not
very far...in an
armchair...HActivism?....depends on the
reasone?...how
far do YOU think ???*****
do any of us expect to
change anything, or just talk
about how awful things
are? (which is ok
:)
*****Some of us don't sit in armchairs,and actually Do
things to get
results...and hopefully...change.*****
i just dont know how successful
'echelon dictionary
campaigns' (and the
like) are, but i personally
would like to feel that we
are making a
difference if we are gonna act
like thats what we are
doing here.***** posers are not
awfully
effecient....neither is "acting"....the info is out
there,use
it...be effective? the people whom are
"doing" more than talking are making
a
difference....just check out the media hype! LOL!
seriously
though...we may not hear/see right off just
how effective SOME of our work
is...you know how
"they" hate to admit anything???*****
The way this
stuff gets reported on TV, (like the
echelon campaign) this is
all just
an 'Art Bell/X-Files trip' and we are a bunch
of conspiracy
theory
geeks...
********Well...there is an awful lot of truth in
the
saying : "the truth IS out there..."....some things in
life ARE
X-files. that doesn't mean just because of
some TV show...we should just
give up.& give in does
it??? let em say what they want...when all the
dust
settles..we can feel good we at least tried to fix
it
right.********
Don't forget, hacking can be as powerful in
cyberspace
as bombs are in the
real world...
*****forget?
forget?.....Egad!
"I have no response to that...Mulder"
;)*****
maybe 2 lists: hacktivism and hackerism
:)
*****(sigh)*****
I hope i am not out of place for saying
this, i am new
to all this. I dont
assume i even know what i am talking
about! :)
*****welcome to the edge,friend.you do ask some really
good
questions.....do a little homework,you might feel
better about it
all.....maybe. Freedom is mainly what
it is all about...and you have the
right to freedom of
speech...Don't let anybody tell you diff! You seem
to
have a good mind...look into some of our works..and
why...see what
you feel then.*****
i am no hacker, i am an artist concerned about
the
future.
***** Cool! I am an artist/freelance/ on the side....I
am
concerned too...thats why I am here...I hate
war...dont care much for the
WTO,despise how we are
lied to(ech)..ecology is in sad need of
defending,the
list goes on...having become disenchanted with
whinning
and moaning, I decided to do something
worthwhile..an activist for 20
yrs(& 2 mo.) (yes..I
started early) you can too! remember,any success
is
better than it was before....If enough people do
something,it is
bound to help! Now...here..this way is
even more effective!!!(but I have
carpal tunnels in my
carple tunnels)I now have designer black leather
wrist
braces.sad but true..LOL!And..as for the armchair
thing I found so
amusing...hehe...dont sit very
long...stand...stretch...get something with
wheels...
AND! not too comfy...this spacecase tends to fall
asleep at
the board...too many logon hours can kill
ya!
BTW...what is the seasone
now???((and a healthy sense
of humor is a plus,methinks..or ya just might
go
mad!!!EHEHEHEHEh I am new to this list too..but not to
the Hacktivism
......Hacker ism?....done/do that
too.It's another kind of animal,sort
of.Malicious?
dependz...seldome..dependz...mostly
just
reading,writing,building.tearingdown,rebuilding,more
writing,reading....etc.*****
ZoeScanner
piLL
-----
Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wray <swray@io.com>
To: <hacktivism@tao.ca>
Sent: Thursday,
October 28, 1999 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Don't SPlit the List & Other
Thoughts
> [: hacktivism :]
>
>
>
> On
Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Chuck0 wrote:
> >
> > The list won't be
split. A proposal from the
working moderation group
> > will be
sent out tomorrow.
>
> Looking forward to this. Didn't know there
was a
working moderation group.
> Glad to here it.
>
>
I'm not really into splitting the list.
> But I am into a more focused
discussion.
>
> So I hope for good things from the
working
moderation group.
> Whomever you may be.
> Speaking of
which, who are you beside chuch o?
>
> -
Stefan
>
>
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