re: Autodesk cowed by threat of attack by RTMark (and workgroup@rtmark.com)

[Bronc Buster <bronc@2600.com>]

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It sounds like you and Brad are more the vet 'activist', then a
'hacktivist'. I am not an activist, and I have no intention is ever being
one, but I do concider myself a hacktivist.

It appears people think because something works on the street, that it
must also apply online. This is a basic fallicy.

Activism != Hacktivism

People who think that doing these kind of eye-for-an-eye type of actions
are right and justified need to get a clue. If we want to keep the
internet FREE, then we MUST act in a responsible manner. Threatening a
company, like what was done with eToys, is a prime example of more being
a vigalante then anything else. What does this kind of behavior lead to?
Government stepping in to police things. All it will take is ONE instant
for one of these 'threats' to go too far, and here come the feds with new
laws, clipper chips, bugs, echelons, etc.

What are you going to do then? Try and take down the US Govt?

Activism, as far as I think of it, has always been about bringing
attention to a pressing matter people think needs to be changed.When
abortion clinics start getting blown up, buildings start to get burned
down, etc, it's no longer activism, but terrorism.

Hacktivism should be thought of in a similer way. You should want to bring
the public attention to an issue, not get rid of the issue and sweep it
under the rug (like what is being attempted with Autodesk). Look at
Echleon Day. That was a prime example of what you should be doing;
bringing attention to it. Look at what it accomplished; it's been
acknolodged as existing, and more is known about it every day. 

I am sorry if you don't agree with my views, but then again, I am a
technology vet and a net junkie, and not to mention some what of an
infamous 'hacker' in my own right; I am not an activist.

Maybe taking a step back and thinking about the possible ripples these
actions could bring about might make you change your minds.

regards,
   Bronc Buster
  bronc@2600.com

PS. please take my nick! :)

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, King Wilson wrote:

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> >So now RTMark turns to using the same tactics eToys and this AutoDesk
> >company use; bullying. We will bully a small company into doing what WE
> >want or else do what we did to eToys (which was really NOTHING - proven by
> >the stocks preformance and other companies in the same business stocks).
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>   Bronc, please don't take this the wrong way, but you are SO full of shit.
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> What would have been an acceptable response to Autodesk's (or eToys) 
> demands?  Sit back and take it?
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>    I think I'm gonna start a career as a professional writer, and I'm 
> gonna go by the name of Bronc Buster.  How would you feel about that? 
> What if I just came up to you on the street, and told you to find a 
> new name? and what if I brought a cop along with me, to smack you in 
> the head every time you wrote an e-mail, as a reminder?  Would you 
> just accept it?
>     Would you feel bad as an "activist" if you took the offense, as a defense?
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> RTMark did not go up to AutoDesk, unprovoked, and threaten them. 
> They merely warned AutoDesk what the consequences would be, if 
> AutoDesk decided to throw a punch.  Why this upsets you, I have no 
> idea.
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>    If the eToys debacle proved nothing, then why did AutoDesk 
> seemingly back down in the face of RTMark?
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>   You seem to want to keep the unwashed masses away from the bathtub 
> when you should be giving them guns and a map.  This all reminds me, 
> for some reason, about something A. Whitney Brown wrote in a book a 
> few years back.  He was writing about the Southern Baptists, I 
> believe.  "They decide to live their lives in pious misery, with the 
> hopes of getting into heaven when they die.  This is like keeping 
> your eyes shut through a movie, with the hopes of getting your money 
> back when it's over"
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