re: Autodesk cowed by threat of attack by RTMark (and

From Bronc Buster <>
Date Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:10:27 -0500 (EST)

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So now RTMark turns to using the same tactics eToys and this AutoDesk
company use; bullying. We will bully a small company into doing what WE
want or else do what we did to eToys (which was really NOTHING - proven by
the stocks preformance and other companies in the same business stocks). 

This is doing nothing more then giving hacktivism as bad name. It equates
Hacktivism with strong arm tactics, which is what it should NOT be about,
but be about putting an end to.

RTMark needs to get a clue. I knew few 'hackers', or 'activists' for that
matter who support their methods. I think that point was made clear after
the last fiasco with eToys/eToy when everyone turned on RTMark, including
the people they said they wanted to help, eToy.

These methods are the wrong methods.

   Bronc Buster

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, rdom wrote:

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> Autodesk cowed by threat of attack by RTMark (and
> February 9, 2000
> Trying to take over website, company buckles at threat of attack
> Contacts:
> Matthew Anderson:
> Autodesk, Inc.:,
> More information:,
> etoy/eToys update:
> (more contacts and links listed at end)
> When thousands of activists forced Internet toy giant eToys to withdraw
> its lawsuit against art site last month, one of their bigger
> goals was to create a chill on all of e-commerce, so that companies
> using
> the Internet would think twice before trying to steal precious bits of
> online public space.
> This goal seems to be a few steps closer to being fulfilled. Last week
> a user of told RTMark that Autodesk, a company
> that makes a product coincidentally called 3D Studio, was attempting to
> shut down the forum, which is used by hundreds of 3D artists to freely
> trade graphics. According to webmaster Matthew Anderson,
> he and the artists who use the site had written hundreds of e-mails to
> Autodesk explaining the purpose of the forum and begging them to leave
> it alone, but Autodesk had never replied to anyone.
> Friday night, RTMark informed the parties concerned that it would help
> sponsor an eToys-style attack against Autodesk.
> Within hours, Autodesk announced that it would relent from its suit, and
> on Monday morning Martin M. Konopken, Senior Corporate Counsel for
> Autodesk, officially informed Anderson and RTMark that all threats
> against
> were being withdrawn; a link to was even
> placed on the Autodesk website. (See for
> full correspondence.)
> "Now if they jump like that BEFORE being threatened, we´ll have achieved
> something nice," said RTMark spokesperson Ernest Lucha. But Lucha said
> that goal is still far away. "So many companies are still behaving like
> thugs on the Web. The HMO Health Net is trying to destroy
>, founded in 1993 by a Nobel-winning
> cardiologist
> to connect doctors in the developing world; Leonardo Finance is suing
> the
> thirty-year-old art magazine, Leonardo, for its name; even the Vatican
> has gotten into the act, by stealing from an artists´ group
> with the complicity of Network Solutions [the company that controls
> Internet
> domain names]. We know of dozens of such cases. Each of these aggressors
> must be informed that they´re vulnerable to attack just like eToys, and
> could easily lose it all in a matter of weeks." (E-mail addresses and
> information links can be found at the end of this release.)
> "We must ensure that eToys fulfills its role as the Brent Spar of
> e-commerce," said Reinhold Grether, an Internet researcher and a
> mastermind of the anti-eToys campaigns. "Just as the Brent Spar fiasco
> forced the petroleum industry to listen to environmentalists, so
> e-commerce companies must continue to be reminded that the Internet
> doesn´t belong to them, and that they can´t do whatever they want with
> it."
> But even if RTMark and other activists are successful in intimidating
> companies into behaving well on the Internet, there are bigger goals
> that
> must also be kept in mind, said lawyer and RTMark member Rita Mae
> Rakoczi.
> "Companies´ fear of Web activists doesn´t help the thousands of victims
> of toxic waste dumps who are sued into silence, nor the scientists who
> are intimidated into practicing shoddy science for the sake of corporate
> profit, nor the millions of citizens--demeaningly called
> ´consumers´--who
> reap the poisonous fruits of bad science and other corporate lies."
> Rakoczi sees the solution to widespread corporate criminality in legal
> reform. "It´s not a matter of creating new laws; there are swarms of old
> laws that need rescinding--starting with a flawed 1886 Supreme Court
> decision granting corporations, those entities whose only possible aim
> is profit, the rights of people. Then there are all the laws and
> decisions
> built onto that, like the ´money = speech´ decision that declares
> spending,
> and hence political lobbying by huge corporations, a form of protected
> free speech."
> "Corporations use their legal standing in predictable ways," said
> Rakoczi,
> "but not a one has ever received a lethal injection. Only wide-ranging,
> visionary legal reform can address the enormous problems of corporate
> crime. Protecting the Internet, important as it is, is only a stepping
> stone to that goal."
> RTMark aims to publicize the widespread corporate abuse of democratic
> institutions like courts and elections. To this end it solicits and
> distributes funding for "sabotage projects," groups of which are called
> "mutual funds" in order to call attention to one way in which large
> numbers of people come to identify corporate needs as their own.
> Additional links:
> information:
> contact: (818)676-6775,
> Leonardo Finance information:
> contacts:,
> The Holy See information:
> contact: +39-06-698.92.434/443/442,
> Skippy Peanut Butter information:
> contact: 201-894-4000,
> eToys:
> Network Solutions contacts:,
> Shell Oil:
> Other cases:
> Corporate history:
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