RE: ~e; question EM newsletter
"Mike McPherson" <email@example.com>
Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:11:03 -0700
I have learned a great deal by reading your EM newsletters. Some of your
links and comments have landed me on websites that I probably wouldn't have
found or even thought of seeking out.
While I personally tend to search out the more technical aspects of this
domain, others may not. So it is.
I would also like to echo the earlier posts WRT the suggestion of narrowing
the scope. This would put less of a burden on you if nothing else.
Producing a newsletter about all aspects connected to any one information
domain (especially one as far reaching as electromagnetism) is a Herculean
task to say the least!
I hope you decide to continue on - sharing useful information may soon
become a crime :-).
If you decide to end the newsletter, then I thank you for what I've learned
from your contributions.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: ~e; question EM newsletter
hello everyone, I've arrived at the conclusion that the
end of the EM newsletter may be a good idea, to see
if there are other ways of sharing ideas. I think the idea
has proven itself, that over several categories (both in
serial and parallel progression) that EM developments
are interrelated. yet, as with news cycles, massively at
times, redundant. and highly-structured, may deter an-
other approach and contributions, as it is so singular.
I've also weighed the idea of a list itself, it is serves any
purpose or not, and so if ending the EM newsletter and
nothing spontaneous happens on list, it may be possible
it will be shut down until another time with active ideas.
there are many things I wish to write about and also put
online, yet am not sure of the format as it exists (news,
essays) versus actual conversations of shared views.
for instance, having just had some experiences with
the MRI, EEG, EMG, there are some amazing, simply
amazing corollary's to audio-engineering (it would
seem) and also earlier performance art shared on
the list with shocks and muscle contortions. (with an
EMG they put a needle with a microphone into your
muscle and you can hear your muscle as static, it is
wild). (in the MRI, it is like being inside a radio scanner
or a baby in a womb which is getting ultra-sounded (it
is wondered what babies hear of such events, it could
be very frightening first encounter.) (in an EEG it is like
a 16 track brain recorder, except instead of flute it is
eyelids, tracked by electrodes). all of this neuroscience
is fascinating to me, I do not know how to write about
it in an interdisciplinary way yet have always been
fascinated by it (and finally have access to some help
for brain mapping of language/memory issues here).
what is wondered is how experiences which many
people may go through in their lives, such as CAT-
scans, x-rays, and the rest may become rituals of
the cycle of life-to-death in an EM context, which,
say, a radiology department in 'nuclear medicine'
demonstrates, as the height of certain approaches
to medicine and healing. what would environments
or professions be without the equipment used, with-
out all this EM knowledge based on it, and the leaps
and bounds of research and development growing
everyday based on extending this systemic approach.
what does it mean that this is how humans are to be
interfaced with 'health' and diagnostic criteria of a
computer-based society, in terms of other things as
they happen in fields other than medicine (one of my
favorites is archaeology, although knowing only little
of the practiced field, the overlap with architecture in
terms of the toolset is quite large and could be even
more synchronized for creative research of ideas).
maybe this is towards a question of EM 'studies',
an interdisciplinary perspective. it is believe that,
as a proof-of-concept, the EM Education Initiative
(EEI, http://www.electronetwork.org/works/eei/ ) is
a proven viable approach to currently disparate
information online, to integrate and collate it (yet,
still needing refinement and collaborative moves).
The EM cultural aspects tend to be proven by the
works of artists, scientists, and others whose vast
research defines the present in terms of EM, yet
it still needs to be seen as a whole (such as, the
electronic, media, and other art with EM sciences,
histories, scholarship, within a shared empiricism.)
The approach to EM education can and will be a
way to continue the EEI goals yet it is wondered if
a list newsletter is serving the larger purposes or
just repeating the news cycle in an EM context, so
maybe it is time to reconsider its purpose, value,
as there could be other options available. Also, it
should be noted that it is hoped anyone writes if
they feel like it, and many times my writing is a bit
loose (not just grammatically messed up, but also
to push an idea to a point where maybe someone
may comment, to see if anyone has a view that is
able to recontextualize or refine the question to a
more practical or better language or even contest
the ideas, whatever. though it often is just silence).
So, I am not sure what the list could be, and hope
others speak up if they think it is something, is not
something, should be something or maybe it is not
about a list but the project and what this might be.
as always, suggestions, comments, ideas wanted,
needed, appreciated, including any and all criticism.
(by the way, I may be a bit dense and 'not get' what
may be readily understood by others, this is part of
what may be a 'blind-spot' in my sense of things as
is finally being realized (Asperger's Syndrome) so
if something is clear to most I will probably miss it,
so it is hard to guess what works and what doesn't
if others have an understanding of common sense,
in relation to this project. I lack this critical ability to
see and understand this project in relation to how
others may perceive it, cannot grasp the missing
parts and so it is a lot of trial and error (and errors)
and so, if there is something to say I hope people
feel free enough to say it and say it loud and know
that this 'gap' is an enigma, between what others
may be interested in and what is happening now.
I hope others can find a place for their work and
their ideas, yet there are limitations on individuals
to go beyond their means to make it all happen.
the EEI project is not going away, though it may
become more quiet as it is pursued (for research,
building the project, hopefully offline opportunities
and support to pursue this work with others in a
shared/collaborative project). The one thing I am
able to do is push the larger project forward, the
framework, the details and technical aspects are
a weak-point (if telling from my brain, it may be a
real weak-point in terms of degraded motorskills
and some delays). Though i am dedicated to this
project, and not only my own work, which often is
not developed to try to develop the larger context,
but all works which truly fascinate me to no end,
and I am sure others would also find a fascination
(from other disciplines) of the things going on today.
Such as MRIs and radio-scanners and EEGs and
audio-engineering, parallels are truly uncanny--
and these things have been explored by artists,
it is in the record and these are living artists, and
technologists, and scientists who can go so much
further with these ideas if more know of what this
is that is being explored, and to support such work.
from internet art to em archaeology to any discipline
which is in some way affected/effected, how this is
all tied together-- I hope this conversation can occur
as it offers a view of the whole that is missing from
any one discipline, from my experience, and could
help revalidate the oftentimes great works that are
caught in traditional categorizations, I wish it was
not an issue of individual philosophy as it is not as
solitary as this, nor proprietary. I have no idea how
to go beyond and seek any advice or suggestions
as to what may be options for the EEI project, or the
issues, or the list, or the ideas, or where things are
today versus what is in the newsletters, anything.
from my sense, I tend to see more relevance in
reading ancient texts which bring everything into
relation with one another (music with astronomy,
or electronic music and radio astronomy, today),
than any subdivision-of-subdivision-of-an-idea
which is a particular point of view of infinite many
based on particular cases (specificities, firstly). it
is not that this is wrong, it is not, but as a context
it is like looking at the details and talking about
the whole of something and instead it would be
to talk of the general (generalist) as a context in
which to recontextualize pre-existing specialist
views and vantage points, though in relation to
each other (e.g. new media and new economy).
I don't know, I truly do not know the direction to
go, but have a hunch and have followed it until
a point where the results of the experiment are
clear enough to decipher, and then to make a
refinement in direction or expansion, whatever.
whatever this is, it is meant to include others, it
is hoped others feel they are wanted, needed,
valued, and that a publicness is the meaning
of this initiative, not for political reasons but for
the needs of ideas, as businesses could also
make gains by listening to those who develop
ideas (in the arts, say) about what works and
what does not-- and there is a great resource,
still untapped, about tying these things together
to make larger changes, in a context (not in the
hierarchical disciplines but in a shared interest/
investigation, and purpose). if something works
better it can help other things work better too, it
is why supporting business innovations are as
important as others, too, it is proposed, because
this is often how changes are enacted today as
science, technology, society. not that this is the
rule, but it is an idea of innovation. and EM is an
area where this is the rule, and once the basics
are made tangible, much of it is readily available
to at least grasp, to imagine, to dream about or
propose what may be possible, given the givens.
thus, it is back to the power of ideas, education,
serving these dimensions, and also relating it
to existing efforts, public and private, and to try
to make things happen, let them happen, by a
recontextualization, reconfiguration by way of
electromagnetic knowledge. I realize the text is
too idiosyncratic for most to read, or reread as
it may be, again and again, post to post, yet it
is an attempt to share a belief in what this is,
why this is, where it may be going, who it is
hoped is involved, how to encourage this and
to improve upon the approach/model, and to
ask for ideas, not necessary for debate, though
that is okay. though also for exchange, so as
to improve the public project, to make it worth-
while for others to place their efforts into too.
as always, the electronetwork.org domain is
possible to transfer to a public project, and a
larger network of nodes and content is a goal
yet requires group and business resources to
actually accomplish in both scale and quality.
so, sharing here, asking here, thanks for being
here, and yet i wish it was not so silent as it is
not a high-goal to write newsletters to myself.
so too, openflows.org has been kind to allow
the list to operate during very turbulent times
(PEN-list, electronetwork-list) and maybe it is
also time to consider the list part of the archive,
a record, and another interface may work better.
in any case, thanks to every one of the members
for signing on, it has often kept the ideas going,
the thought that maybe someone on the list may
find a bit of information of relevance in some way,
or to pass it on to someone who may find interest.
it makes me smile, i don't get it though it makes
me happy nonetheless that the list has endured,
though the potential of the project still is way out
on the horizon. thanks if you read this far. brian
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